But perhaps it's a perfect place to join this battle in the most central and radical way. We must decide whether we think that the kids in our classes really are shallow and thin and cannot/do not have complex feelings or perceptions. They certainly look that way sometimes. Only talk in cliche's, & etc. But if we look closely at them and much of their lives, we must see that they are complex and rich and subtle. They do not have language yet or means of saying it. Or, they fall into common ruts of language. But that doesn't mean there isn't much there -- or much complexity.